Hello, first of all thanks for this preset! Is indeed very accurate. I’d like to share something which I noted. If I follow the stab trim config from FMC (normally between 4 to 5) during take of the pitch goes up very fast. I barely apply force to pitch up, and after rotate I have to pitch down the yoke to stabilize the pitch.. is there something I can do about it?
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How this profile feels, effect by effect, read straight from the profile JSON.
Spring / centering
Strong
Force ceiling
Strong
Overall force
Minimal
Trim relief
Claro
G-load
Minimal
Runway rumble
Minimal
Stall buffet
Minimal
Turbulence
Minimal
Engine rumble
Minimal
Stick-alive
Minimal
Unusual settings
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- The autopilot follow authority (0.713) is outside the usual range (0–0.5) — strong, but the app will still clamp it safely.
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pilot53 shared a new profile for the Bombardier Challenger 650.
- Profile: CL60_Challenger_650_Pilot53
- Simulator: X-Plane
- Hardware: MOZA AY210 FFB Base
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Revision 1(current)out. 13, 2026
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"revision": 25,
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"title": "CL60_Challenger_650_Pilot53",
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"name": "Bombardier Challenger 650",
"kind": "",
"icao": "CL650"
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"vidPid": "346E:1001"
}
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"Challenger",
"Bombardier",
"Pilot53"
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"createdAt": "2026-09-22T17:11:02Z",
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